[MD] MOQ and the Future: An Inquiry into Usefulness

[plattholden at gmail.com]

On 16 Nov 2009 at 7:06, X Acto wrote:

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> > Platt tips his hand:
> > Yes, we all know that's your faith -- "Oops, life's a crap shoot" Or, as 
> > Pirsig described your faith: "Each individual in his cell of isolation was 
> > told that no matter how hard he tried, no matter how hard he worked, his 
> > whole life is that of an animal that lives and thinks like any other 
> > animal." (Lila,, 22) Yes, we're just a herd of humanity at the mercy of 
> > blind fate. Sad.  
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> > Yes, nowhere to go.    
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> > Ron:
> > Now this statement says alot about your position, you are finally taking ownership.
> > Pirsig states that a metaphysics of Quality is a metaphysics of randomness
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> Platt:
> Where does he state this? Let's see a quote. 
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> Ron:
> what for? it's in there and besides you'd either evade it or deny it anyway

If it's there it ought to be easy to find and quote. 

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> Ron:
> > his breakthough is that we supply the meaning, all experience is value laden
> > and meaningful. A value centered metaphysics.
> Platt:
> We supply the meaning? What does that mean, that we create language 
> and definitions? 
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> Ron:
> Yes, Human Value creates the world we live in.

So now it's "Human Value" that creates the world, not just Value. Where 
do you find evidence for that notion?

> > Now I'm sure for you, after being raised to believe that a big brother has everything
> > planned out for you, the idea of being responsible for your own meaning is quite 
> > frightening.
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> Platt:
> "Big brother" is government, and it looks like it indeed is trying to plan 
> everything out for us, including when we need to die. 
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> Ron:
> Bigbrother is also God, besides, what changes how the poor elderly die now?
> is there any difference? other than some of them have a fighting chance under 
> the proposed healthcare bill? If you are too poor to afford healthcare you are too
> poor to afford health care. How is giving it away free to those who qualify put those
> already sentenced to death by our current system in any more jeopardy?

I see I hit a nerve. Another discussion for another day.