[MD] Marsha's (s)OL

[MarshaV]

Steve,

I added my original post at the bottom of this one, but let me repeat, 'The
Intellectual Level is comprised of patterns that represent the process of
objectifying and manipulating abstract symbols: "Objectification is the
process by which abstract concepts are treated as if they were concrete
things or physical objects.  In this  
sense the term is synonym to reification."'  This is my description of the
patterns the inhabit the Intellectual level.  I do not agree that intellect
is "simply thinking". There is no 'simply thinking' within  the MoQ; there
is unpatterned experience (DQ) and patterned experience (sq = static
patterns of value).  

The process of objectifying strips away the subject (self) so that it may be
studied or manipulated without an emotional bias, but the very stripping
away implies the self's existence, and the subject and object are both there
by implication.  Subject and object!  When I study about the MoQ, 'I' is a
separate entity that is study the objectified 'MoQ'.  If I am validating
through an experiment the existence of a photon, the 'I' validating is
separated from the objectified entity 'photon'.  Subject and object!!!  I
acting upon an objectified concept.  And all this 'I' acting upon
objectified concepts is suppose to represent REALITY.  


Marsha









-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of Steven Peterson
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 2:16 PM
To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
Subject: [MD] Marsha's (s)OL

Hi Marsha,

I can't find your message on my computer  to respond more specifically.

I agree that "object" is an intellectual pattern, and I agree that it
is possible to reify concepts such as love, experience, and good, but
it doesn't follow that all intellect ever is is reification. If
intellect is "simply thinking" or using concepts or "manipulating
abstract symbols that stand for patterns of experience," then one of
the functions of intellect is reification, but it is still just one
possible way of using concepts or manipulating symbols. Using concepts
is not necessarily reifying them.

Best,
Steve  

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-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of Marsha
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 10:51 AM
To: MoQ
Subject: Re: [MD] irony and socrates


Steve,

Love, good, and infinity can be objectified and manipulated; that is  
exactly what you did in your paragraphs below.

The Intellect Level is comprised of patterns that represent the  
process of objectifying and manipulating abstract symbols:   
"Objectification is the process by which abstract concepts are  
treated as of they were concrete things or physical objects.  In this  
sense the term is synonym to reification."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectification


Marsha