[MD] Some historical perspective

[mark_maxwell at talktalk.net]

Hi Marsha,

 
Marsha: 
My definition is describing the functioning of the intellectual patterns. The self is assumed to be performing the manipulation. Of course it is a dualistic illusion. From the Quality point-of-view, there is unpatterned experience and patterned experience, and all static patterns of value are relational.

 

squonk: Thanks for this additional data.

IMO the moq does not assume there is a 'self' which manipulates static patterns of intellectual quality.

If static patterns of intellectual quality are isolated within their own realm i think it may therefore be assumed to be DQ which performs the manipulation of static patterns of intellectual quality.

I may have got this all wrong.
 
> 20Squonk: 
> This may beg the question: What delights in these relationships? 
> 
> And i think the moq would state that 'delight' is an emotional > response, 
> that is to say, it is biological in nature. It is therefore the, > 'Naked ape' 
> which delights in 'abstract concepts and symbols, and the rules > (grammar, 
> logic, mathematics) used for manipulating them'.
 
Marsha: 
Why don't you tell me. 


 

squonk: If delight is an emotional response, and if emotions are biological in nature, then a nervous system is required in order for emotions to be experienced. Naked apes have nervous systems, 'E = mc2' as 'abstract concepts and symbols, and the rules used for manipulating th
 em' does not.

The relationship between a delighting nervous system and E = mc2 bypasses social patterns (almost - another culture may replace these symbols with other culturally inherited ones, but their relationships would be the same: T " ~s¬ would have to have a one to one correlation with E = mc2)

IMO this description is not dualistic.

It does rely upon differentiation, of which dualism is a subset.

I may be wrong.

 

All the best,

squonk