[MD] The relativity of the MoQ

[MarshaV]

Andre,

A sip is a sip. I know nothing of enlightenment, so where is this 'Still Zen
After All These Years' interview, for I would like to read what RMP has had
to say of such an enlightenment experience?   In many quarters it is bad to
speak of any such experiences. You know 'If you know you do not tell, if you
tell you do not know.'  On the other hand, a year ago I read a book by an
American, a geek and a doctor (md), that explains all degrees of techniques,
maps and experiences by one who thinks it is most healthy to talk about it.
Look up Daniel M. Ingram.  If one can get their philosophy from a book about
motorcycle maintenance, then it seems okay to consider what someone like
Ingram might have to say about the progressive meditative states.  He's an
interesting character too.  You can get a podcasts of a few interviews with
him from the Buddhist Geek website.  So with this in mind, what has you
worried?    

What do you think?


Marsha, 
  another non-enlightened one   

 




-----Original Message-----
From: moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org
[mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of Andre Broersen
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 6:01 AM
To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
Subject: Re: [MD] The relativity of the MoQ

Marsha to Ham and Andre:
I agree that meditation can lead to experiences of Ultimate Reality (DQ),
and a few minute sip of such an experience can deeply alter the context of
all experience.

Andre:
Hi Marsha, yes, I agree and I am intrigued (and perhaps slightly worried as
well) by the 'Still Zen after All These Years' interview wherein Pirsig
appears to suggest that to really understand Lila one needs to have gone
through  an 'enlightenment' experience (a la ZMM)...the 180 Zen and 360
Zen...after enlightenment ' and the world is exactly as it was when you left
it' (but you are changed of course).

What do you think?
Andre, the non-enlightened one
Moq_Discuss mailing list
Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc.
http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org
Archives:
http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/
http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/