[MD] The relativity of the MoQ

[fernandocarlosfarah at mls.com.br]

Amigos,

I am sorry to say that i am leaving the group.  Please, don't expect my 
return. Take care.

Best,
Fernando Farah




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    Data: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 17:01:44 -0400
    De: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
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> Andre,
>
> A sip is a sip. I know nothing of enlightenment, so where is this 'Still Zen
> After All These Years' interview, for I would like to read what RMP has had
> to say of such an enlightenment experience?   In many quarters it is bad to
> speak of any such experiences. You know 'If you know you do not tell, if you
> tell you do not know.'  On the other hand, a year ago I read a book by an
> American, a geek and a doctor (md), that explains all degrees of techniques,
> maps and experiences by one who thinks it is most healthy to talk about it.
> Look up Daniel M. Ingram.  If one can get their philosophy from a book about
> motorcycle maintenance, then it seems okay to consider what someone like
> Ingram might have to say about the progressive meditative states.  He's an
> interesting character too.  You can get a podcasts of a few interviews with
> him from the Buddhist Geek website.  So with this in mind, what has you
> worried?
>
> What do you think?
>
>
> Marsha,
>  another non-enlightened one
>
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>
>
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> [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of Andre Broersen
> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 6:01 AM
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Subject: Re: [MD] The relativity of the MoQ
>
> Marsha to Ham and Andre:
> I agree that meditation can lead to experiences of Ultimate Reality (DQ),
> and a few minute sip of such an experience can deeply alter the context of
> all experience.
>
> Andre:
> Hi Marsha, yes, I agree and I am intrigued (and perhaps slightly worried as
> well) by the 'Still Zen after All These Years' interview wherein Pirsig
> appears to suggest that to really understand Lila one needs to have gone
> through  an 'enlightenment' experience (a la ZMM)...the 180 Zen and 360
> Zen...after enlightenment ' and the world is exactly as it was when you left
> it' (but you are changed of course).
>
> What do you think?
> Andre, the non-enlightened one
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