[MD] Loneliness

[Ian Glendinning]

Hi Dave T ... thanks for the gumption and Chautauqua references from
James ... I can believe it, and for me it just re-inforces the
"foundations" of MoQ. Must follow those up.

You said to Bo.
"I hope I can open your eyes. Keep an open mind, ..."

I wish you luck. I have several dead ends of unfinshed business with Bo.

(At the risk of stating the obvious, Dave Buchanan - who has dropped
of the forum for a break recently - has been pushing Jamesian "radical
empiricism" very hard as a foundation for quality - I think he's
right. For me the issue is whether MoQ is any good, solid and useful -
not who invented it - ideas evolve.)

Regards
Ian

On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 5:11 PM, David Thomas
<combinedefforts at earthlink.net> wrote:
> On 9/9/09 2:03 AM, "Bodvar Skutvik" <skutvik at online.no> wrote:
>
>> I have read it all and find it most relevant. An gee Dave, if you could
>> bring the discussion to the social level for a while because it is what
>> sets the MOQ apart.
>
> With the biological/social divided firmed up a little the next step in my
> mind would be trying to clear up the social just prior to intellectual. But
> I have to warn you that when I read this in the "relativity" thread:
>
> (Bo earlier)
>> Anyway this blunder resulted in the Quality/MOQ "meta-metaphysics"
>> that overrides the MOQ and is a result from Pirsig's disastrous
>> association with James whose view was Pre-conceptual/Conceptual.
>
> I scrambled for the subscribe button.
>
> I had been making what I think is my third pass though the 900 page tome
> "The Writings of William James-A Comprehensive Edition- Edited by John J
> McDermott and feeling philosophical decided to check the discuss archive to
> review progress. Low and behold I hear you bashing both Pirsig and James for
> screwing up the MoQ. Oh why? Oh why? I just couldn't let it lie.
>
> As you are aware I believe James' work is foundational to the MoQ and that
> an understanding of this is instrumental to its long term success. You
> disagree, not just with me, but also RMP on this. I hope I can open your
> eyes. Keep an open mind, I will try to be gentle.
>
> But as you know graphics is my first language, English my second. So I write
> slowly and think even slower. So it may take a while.
>
> As a tease: Are you aware the James discusses in, (What make a Life
> Significant) a trip to speak at the original Chautauqua as a vehicle to
> discuss what was lacking in life? Or that in another lecture he discusses,
> gumption?  Surely you would have to admit that the term "gumption" in not
> one that commonly comes up in philosophical discussions. Mere coincidence?
> Maybe.
>
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>
> Dave
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