[MD] concerning SOL??

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Bodvar

7 Sep. :

Bo before:
> > I can only point to the "in-out turned sock" metaphor, and the "bug"
> > that before lived in a stinking confined environment suddenly finds
> > itself surrounded by fresh air and great new vistas.

Ron now:
> HOW does it achieve this, WHAT are the benefits? exactly HOW does this
> metaphor change anything?
Bo:
At times I wonder, aren't you here because Pirsig's books and/or his 
ideas in its time caused som inside-out-turn of your outlook "sock"? I 
thought all came to this forum for that reason, but there are many who 
obviously haven't read Pirsig's works and have other axes to grind.  

"How does this metaphor change anything"? A metaphor itself does 
not change anything, but is the use of a concrete event to describe a 
mental experience and the sock metaphor conveys so well my 
liberation from SOM, and - as said - I thought that all who wanted to 
discuss the MOQ did so because they also had been SOM-prisoners.

Ron:
I simply ask for an explaination and you really can not give one other
than pointing to a Gestalt shift in intellectual patterns that you contend
doesent really happen because you insist that SOM IS intellect.

SOM is intellect,.. from an SOM perspective and as you say to Ian, it is an
MoQ pattern ,an intellectual one.

Introducing a intelligence/intellect distinction doesent fit into the level
structure and I believe confuses the issue. Where does intelligence fit into the 
picture?

I do not discuss MoQ here because I'm a prisoner or felt like one, but 
growing up sort of isolated from society, and within the culture
of a bastardized modern/farmer/native amalgom, I have always
felt outside, distinct and seperate from popular society which
always seemed fake, contrived and plastic, out of touch with reality
and the land. through my process of trying to fit in and understand
why I really do not, I found ZMM. ZMM affirmed alot of my own
suspicions and ideas. Pirsig built apon and pointed to a whole
school of similar ideas, a historic tradition of it. finally I had some
explainations and some answers for why I thought the way I do
and I had problems "buying" what otheers seemed to swallow 
without a thought as a matter of course.
I grew up seeing the world in relative terms, not s/o but inter related.
Only when I began to "intellectualize" did s/o manifest itself.
Ideas became "units" manipulated in logical chains of causation.
Abstract analysis required breaking things down to subjects
and objects in order to reduce, simplify and comprehend cause
and effect.
It is only when I finally grasped what Pirsig meant, and everything
clicked, that I understood, that I was back to where I was before,
not with different eyes, but with an understanding of why I value
the way I do. Why I am different and don't fit in.Why others
do not value things the way I do. 

I think I have an answer to Ians question of what changed with me.
I reached an understanding, all Pirsigs work clicked into place
and it all functioned and made sense without any contradictions
and I wanted to share this understanding and I am unable to.
All I've drawn is ridicule and attack, leaving me frustrated.

I am the outsider once again

but now I understand why.

I suppose I'm at a cross-roads and staying here does not seem to
be the course I should take.

perhaps it is time to move on.

yes

perhaps it is. this has become stale and static, "intellectualy"

time to move on my own






      














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