[MD] a view

X Acto xacto at rocketmail.com
Sat Apr 3 05:53:10 PDT 2010 

is'nt it? the now is so vast , it's kinda like surfing.



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From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
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Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 8:50:49 AM
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My power of concentration is not strong 
enough to make that a problem.  I'm working
with mindfulness.  That's enough of a challenge.  





On Apr 3, 2010, at 8:47 AM, X Acto wrote:

> camping on any idea pollutes it after awhile.
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> Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 8:43:21 AM
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> If that's what you think.
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> For me, reality is Quality(unpatterned experience &
> patterned experience.)  This agrees with my 
> experience, more that I'm not sure I need to worry 
> about at the moment.  Do I?  
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> On Apr 3, 2010, at 8:34 AM, X Acto wrote:
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>> I can think it to be many ways. question is which ways
>> yield the highest quality. That depends, it depends on 
>> your values. 
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>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>> Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 8:20:56 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MD] a view
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>> As Lila, the character,  said, reality is whatever you think it to be,
>> not whatever you want it to be, but whatever you think it to be.  I 
>> assume what you think agrees with your observed experience.  Or?  
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>> On Apr 3, 2010, at 8:09 AM, X Acto wrote:
>> 
>>> Marsha,
>>> Intellectually speaking yes, but as it applies to experience
>>> it is still a problem from my own observations.
>>> - ron
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>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>> Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 7:27:04 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [MD] a view
>>> 
>>> Ron,
>>> 
>>> It's obviously a conventional interpretation, so yes it is a problem.
>>> But so then would be your conventional view that it's a
>>> problem. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Marsha
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>>> On Apr 3, 2010, at 7:14 AM, X Acto wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Marsha,
>>>> I think the idea of a right/wrong way to view reality
>>>> is a problem. I think concerning the self with it
>>>> is a problem. I think trying to label it and the self
>>>> as subscribing to it's point of view is a problem.
>>>> Like a place to rest and stop the search. 
>>>> 
>>>> A comfortable place to call home.
>>>> 
>>>> -Ron
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>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>> From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>>> Sent: Fri, April 2, 2010 1:12:24 PM
>>>> Subject: [MD] a view
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> This is how I understand the Intellectual (SOM) Level.  From 
>>>> the SOM perspective, there is the unknown and the known.  
>>>> The known uses language as its primary tool.  Language has been 
>>>> built hand-in-hand with human understanding of reality, they have 
>>>> evolved together, and they reflect reality as subjects and objects, 
>>>> our language and subject-object metaphysics are interrelated.  
>>>> (In the Social Level, this s-o understanding is unconscious.)  
>>>> In the Intellectual Level the subject-object split is conscious, 
>>>> and has undergone a dissection to strip the ‘subjective’ from 
>>>> influencing our search for the external Truth in Nature.  The 
>>>> Intellectual Level represents a formal Subject-Object 
>>>> Metaphysics, SOM, and is interconnected with the language 
>>>> we use to organize concepts and assign meaning.  This 
>>>> is accomplished by giving concepts artificial boundaries 
>>>> and imaginary independence. 
>>>> 
>>>>> From the MoQ perspective, Reality = Quality(DQ(unpatterned 
>>>> experience)/sq(patterned experience(inorganic, biological, social, 
>>>> intellectual & code of art))).  Every pattern contained within every 
>>>> level, including intellectual static patterns of value, is represented 
>>>> in that ‘sq’.  Patterns are provisional, interrelated, ever-changing, 
>>>> and impermanent.  They are different from event to event because 
>>>> each event is dependent on an individual’s pattern life history and 
>>>> the dynamic context of the event.  Within the MoQ, the Intellectual 
>>>> (SOM) Level becomes a set of tools that may be useful for solving 
>>>> a certain type of problem.  Until a mode of communication evolves 
>>>> to represent this emerging monistic metaphysics (the MoQ), 
>>>> definitions, meanings and explanations will misrepresent reality.
>>>> 
>>>> You might at this point suggest that the Eastern point-of-view has 
>>>> developed a reality that reflects the MoQ, and it was developed 
>>>> many centuries ago.  I might agree that there are Eastern philosophies 
>>>> that are monistic.  But I’d remind you that enlightenment is considered 
>>>> an awakening, an awakening from the wrong understanding of reality.  
>>>> That wrong understanding of reality is the dualistic, self-other, or 
>>>> subject-object, point-of-view which inspires desire and fear, and 
>>>> causes suffering.  Buddhism has created an complete system of 
>>>> practice to assist the individual to move from ignorance to clarity.  
>>>> This clarity is not the norm for most. 
>>>> 
>>>> I suppose I might add that my understanding is more stable then
>>>> ever before, but it is still always subject to change.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Marsha
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