[MD] a view

MarshaV valkyr at att.net
Sat Apr 3 05:55:11 PDT 2010 


If I'm in it, there is not measurement so I wouldn't 
know.



On Apr 3, 2010, at 8:53 AM, X Acto wrote:

> is'nt it? the now is so vast , it's kinda like surfing.
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> My power of concentration is not strong 
> enough to make that a problem.  I'm working
> with mindfulness.  That's enough of a challenge.  
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> On Apr 3, 2010, at 8:47 AM, X Acto wrote:
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>> camping on any idea pollutes it after awhile.
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>> From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>> Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 8:43:21 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MD] a view
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>> If that's what you think.
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>> For me, reality is Quality(unpatterned experience &
>> patterned experience.)  This agrees with my 
>> experience, more that I'm not sure I need to worry 
>> about at the moment.  Do I?  
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>> On Apr 3, 2010, at 8:34 AM, X Acto wrote:
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>>> I can think it to be many ways. question is which ways
>>> yield the highest quality. That depends, it depends on 
>>> your values. 
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>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>> Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 8:20:56 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [MD] a view
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>>> As Lila, the character,  said, reality is whatever you think it to be,
>>> not whatever you want it to be, but whatever you think it to be.  I 
>>> assume what you think agrees with your observed experience.  Or?  
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>>> On Apr 3, 2010, at 8:09 AM, X Acto wrote:
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>>>> Marsha,
>>>> Intellectually speaking yes, but as it applies to experience
>>>> it is still a problem from my own observations.
>>>> - ron
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>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>> From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>>> Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 7:27:04 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] a view
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>>>> Ron,
>>>> 
>>>> It's obviously a conventional interpretation, so yes it is a problem.
>>>> But so then would be your conventional view that it's a
>>>> problem. 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Marsha
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>>>> On Apr 3, 2010, at 7:14 AM, X Acto wrote:
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>>>>> Marsha,
>>>>> I think the idea of a right/wrong way to view reality
>>>>> is a problem. I think concerning the self with it
>>>>> is a problem. I think trying to label it and the self
>>>>> as subscribing to it's point of view is a problem.
>>>>> Like a place to rest and stop the search. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> A comfortable place to call home.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Ron
>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>> From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>>>> Sent: Fri, April 2, 2010 1:12:24 PM
>>>>> Subject: [MD] a view
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>   
>>>>> This is how I understand the Intellectual (SOM) Level.  From 
>>>>> the SOM perspective, there is the unknown and the known.  
>>>>> The known uses language as its primary tool.  Language has been 
>>>>> built hand-in-hand with human understanding of reality, they have 
>>>>> evolved together, and they reflect reality as subjects and objects, 
>>>>> our language and subject-object metaphysics are interrelated.  
>>>>> (In the Social Level, this s-o understanding is unconscious.)  
>>>>> In the Intellectual Level the subject-object split is conscious, 
>>>>> and has undergone a dissection to strip the ‘subjective’ from 
>>>>> influencing our search for the external Truth in Nature.  The 
>>>>> Intellectual Level represents a formal Subject-Object 
>>>>> Metaphysics, SOM, and is interconnected with the language 
>>>>> we use to organize concepts and assign meaning.  This 
>>>>> is accomplished by giving concepts artificial boundaries 
>>>>> and imaginary independence. 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> From the MoQ perspective, Reality = Quality(DQ(unpatterned 
>>>>> experience)/sq(patterned experience(inorganic, biological, social, 
>>>>> intellectual & code of art))).  Every pattern contained within every 
>>>>> level, including intellectual static patterns of value, is represented 
>>>>> in that ‘sq’.  Patterns are provisional, interrelated, ever-changing, 
>>>>> and impermanent.  They are different from event to event because 
>>>>> each event is dependent on an individual’s pattern life history and 
>>>>> the dynamic context of the event.  Within the MoQ, the Intellectual 
>>>>> (SOM) Level becomes a set of tools that may be useful for solving 
>>>>> a certain type of problem.  Until a mode of communication evolves 
>>>>> to represent this emerging monistic metaphysics (the MoQ), 
>>>>> definitions, meanings and explanations will misrepresent reality.
>>>>> 
>>>>> You might at this point suggest that the Eastern point-of-view has 
>>>>> developed a reality that reflects the MoQ, and it was developed 
>>>>> many centuries ago.  I might agree that there are Eastern philosophies 
>>>>> that are monistic.  But I’d remind you that enlightenment is considered 
>>>>> an awakening, an awakening from the wrong understanding of reality.  
>>>>> That wrong understanding of reality is the dualistic, self-other, or 
>>>>> subject-object, point-of-view which inspires desire and fear, and 
>>>>> causes suffering.  Buddhism has created an complete system of 
>>>>> practice to assist the individual to move from ignorance to clarity.  
>>>>> This clarity is not the norm for most. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I suppose I might add that my understanding is more stable then
>>>>> ever before, but it is still always subject to change.
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>>>>> 
>>>>> Marsha
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