[MD] a view

[MarshaV]

On Apr 7, 2010, at 3:52 PM, Arlo Bensinger wrote:

> [Marsha]
> I think it is a verse written for the individual.  I think many social patterns should dissolve.  I interpret the word 'sustain' to means 'to keep from giving way', so I  translate the first 2 lines as:  While not letting the biological and social levels collapse, let intellectual patterns dissolve' and morality will be served.   Hopefully, this answers the remaining questions too.
> 
> [Arlo]
> I guess my question remains why social patterns should not be dissolved as well? If I use your words here, I'd offer something like this instead.
> 
> While sustaining just enough biological patterns to preserve your life
> Dissolve all intellectual and social patterns.
> Dissolve them completely
> And then follow Dynamic Quality
> And morality will be served.


I have no problem with the importance of the family and 
community in sustaining life.  I have never said otherwise.
But I do think that many social patterns have outgrown their
usefulness.  A long time ago I read 'The Social Construction 
of Reality', by Peter L. Berger and Thomas Luckmann.  It 
address such issues.  I bet you've read it.  


> The first line I can see, because dying while meditating or taking peyote will likely do you no good.

It's Saint Marsha.  I do not drink, smoke, or take drugs, not 
even the prescribed type.  This is not an issue for me.  


> 
> But the second line I'd propose makes more sense (considering, again, Pirsig's view on the morality of the hippie movement), if we say that in that drive to get to the Zero-Point, we let all static patterns that may effect our ability to see "something new" pass away. Social patterns like religion must be left go off as well, as should social roles like what it means to be a mother or uncle. All preconceived notions (patterns) that effect our "vision" should be left to dissolve away (I do like that metaphor).

This dissolution I think is for the moment.  I am not talking of a lobotomy.  
There might be a moment when an intellectual pattern is very appropriate, 
if so I'm quite sure it will prevail.   The rest of your paragraph seem 
presented for the sake of the argument, but I think such speculation is 
a waste of time.  It would be better to be mindful of the flow of patterns,
than to let the flow of patterns control the situation.  


> 
> And, like I mentioned, it makes this statement true for all people, not just those with "relaxed" social codes.
> 
> The next question would be, "And then what?" What do we do when we come out of the Zero-Point, after we've been effected by some Dynamic insight? I'd submit we re-construct our social and intellectual patterns accordingly. "Killing" them may take us to that moment of Zen, but its what we do with enlightenment coming back that makes it count. IMHO.

This seems like too much speculation.  What if you awaken and realize that 
when you do harm, it is yourself you are harming?  What if you begin to see 
their is no separation between you and I.   What if we discover that our present
 subject/object ideas of reality are nonsense?  I, at least, like my speculations 
better.  


Marsha
 
 
 
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