[MD] new old book

Matt Kundert pirsigaffliction at hotmail.com
Tue Apr 13 19:05:54 PDT 2010


John said:
"The important thing is that the unique value of language 
lies in truth.  Language is not bound to reality, but to its 
capacity to create this different universe, which you can 
call surreal, meta-real or metaphysical.  For the sake of 
convenience we will call it the order of truth.  The word is 
the creator, founder and producer of truth.

Note carefully that I am not establishing any hierarchy in 
this connection, from a mediocre reality with no value, 
ascending toward a transcendent truth. I merely establish 
two different orders.  Rather than speaking of Truth, at this 
point I am still dealing just with the order of truth (which is 
also, to be sure, the order of untruth, error and falsehood!).  
Nor am I saying that language has nothing to do with reality.  
We will examine this relationship later.  I am, instead, looking 
for specificity, and in this case it resides in the fact that 
nothing  besides language can reach or establish the order 
of truth."

Isn't that similar to Rorty's "conversation"?

Matt:
Sure.

There's a nest of vipers in there, but no more so than most.  
(For example, I don't go in for surs, metas, or 
not-bound-to-realitys anymore, nor is it clear why one 
would need to double "order," these two "universes," but hey, 
I get the gist.)

Matt
 		 	   		  
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