[MD] MOQ would seems to imply that above human intelligence computers

[Horse]

Hi John


On 17/04/2010 20:29, John Carl wrote:
> I disagree with you completely Horse.  The difference between human
> intelligence and machine intelligence is not a quantitative difference.
> It's a fundamental Qualitative difference  that will never be bridged with
> more time, more processing power or any sort of cyborgian manipulations.
>    

I said:

"The human evolutionary network is qualitatively different in structure 
and value patterns to the way evolutionary networks of other types of 
life will appear beyond the biological level"

so I'm not sure why you think otherwise. The difference is qualitative - 
i.e. the patterns of value that apply are of a different form.



> You've obviously been reading too much Sci Fi.

Not really, I have a degree in Artificial Intelligence and my third year 
dissertation/paper/project (whatever) was in Artificial Life. That was 
in 1993 around the same time that ALife was starting up and I've been 
keeping up with it (more or less - it's become a substantial area of 
computer science) ever since.

> I suggest you try something
> a bit deeper, something by Roger Penrose perhaps:
>
>
> "That computers as presently constructed cannot possibly duplicate the
> workings of the brain is argued by Penrose in these terms:   that all
> digital computers now operate according to *algorithms*, rules which the
> computer follows step by step. However, there are plenty of things in
> mathematics that *cannot* be calculated algorithmically. We can discover
> them and know them to be true, but clearly we are using some devices of
> calculation ("insight") that are not algorithmic and that are so far not
> well understood -- certainly not well enough understood to have computers do
> them instead."
>
>   This simple argument is devastating.
>    

Penrose's arguments (especially those in "The Emperors New Mind" - the 
one that specifically targets AI) were unravelled and dismissed a long 
time ago - I read it when it came out and thought it was a pretty poor read.


Cheers


Horse

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