[MD] honesty , re, marscha

[Steven Peterson]

Hi DMB,

On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 3:00 PM, david buchanan <dmbuchanan at hotmail.com> wrote:
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> dmb says:
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> Because Jon is new, I think it's only fair to point out that Steve did not answer the right questions. I mean, Jon asked what the moq says about truth and how the moq avoids relativism but he answered as if Jon had asked what Rorty says about those things.

Steve:
Would you like to point out where I said something inconsistent with the MOQ?



DMB quoted:
> Pirsig says, "Value, the pragmatic test of truth, is also the primary empirical reality. The MOQ says pure experience is value." (Lila 365) "Quality! Virtue! Dharma! That is what the Sophists were teaching! Not ethical relativism. Not pristine 'virtue'. But arete. Excellence. Dharma! Before the Church of Reason. Before Substance. Before form. Before mind and matter. Before dialectic itself. Quality had been absolute. Those first teachers of the Western world were teaching Quality, and the medium they had chosen was that of rhetoric. He has been doing it right all along." (ZAMM 377) In is in this sort of context that Pirsig is an empiricist, a radical empiricist. Our ideas are derived from experience and experience is the test of truth and so truth is subordinate to experience in more ways than one.
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> Anyway, this is all pretty far away from what Steve said.

Steve:
Can you explain what I said that is inconsistent withe the above? I
think you must be misinterpreting me or Pirsig or both.

Best,
Steve