[MD] [Bulk] Re: the universe is flat

[Jon Bennett]

MarshaV,

German philosophers inhabit every
moq post. It's in the lineage, the background, the very DNA of moq.

But your'e right, there is an antidote! But it's not at all a pleasant
process. You first have to go through the shock, stress and pain, of
withdrawal and detox. Then you'll need to find a good moq anonymous meeting
and attend faithfully.

Jon

On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 2:24 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

> Jon,
>
> I'm sure somewhere there's an antidote for too many German philosophers
> listed in a single post.
>
>
> Marsha
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 24, 2010, at 12:18 AM, Jon Bennett wrote:
>
> > MarshaV, John, Ian and company,
> >
> > At some point I want to discuss the archetypes of this, and the previous
> > age.
> >
> > If you've looked at the link I posted by Tarnas, you'll see that he
> refers
> > to a certain nexus of interrelated ideas that are behind each age. These
> are
> > the metaphysical roots that P speaks of, and each age has them.
> >
> > The interesting thing is when you look at them closely, it is clear that
> > these ideas were originally derived from ideas, or characteristics of
> God.
> >
> > This is most evident and easy to trace with Newton. He is constantly
> saying
> > space is absolute, eternal, and uniform, because God is. He was very
> clear
> > about this and intentionally thought this way as to understand how God
> > worked in the world.
> >
> > In any event, these ideas that were once thought of as aspects of God,
> and
> > in a specific tradition, become the archetypes, the core ideas of
> > mechanistic physics.
> >
> > Not only this, these same ideas are then imputed to all other realms of
> > thought and cultural expression.
> >
> > This is also true with modern physics. Ever read the Tao of Physics, or
> > Capra's, The Turning Point. He shows meticulously how the ideas in
> physics,
> > classical and modern, were spread to other areas of thought.
> >
> > In both cases, these archetypal ideas can be traced back to theology,
> even
> > in a secular or non religious age, or even once they take on new, non
> > religious meanings.
> >
> > The archetypes behind quantum physics and relativity and even complexity
> > science like wise can be traced back to philosophy and theology. You can
> > trace it back to when Hegel wanted to combine the ideas of the finite and
> > the infinite, the Creator and the creation. This was an intentional move
> by
> > Hegel and other of the German Idealist philosophers that followed him,
> and
> > this influence was likewise felt on the Romantic poets.
> >
> > I know this is but a broad outline, but Hegel and most of the Idealist
> > philosophers were trained as theologians, and their philosophy
> deliberately
> > incorporated theological ideas, and these subsequently influenced the
> course
> > of science, as it did the whole of the culture.
> >
> > Hegel's influence in this shift was the Greeks whom he idealized. And I
> > believe you can trace the moq back to this turning point in Western
> thought,
> > which might be described as the easternization of the West.
> >
> > There's an interesting chapter in Alan Blooms, The Closing of the
> AMerican
> > Mind, called the German connection, which also makes this connection with
> > the sixties culture and high German philosophy. And there is also a
> > connection of German philosophy with Eastern mysticism, as well as Greek
> > thought. But the trend form Kant, Hegel, Schopenhauer, that leads to
> > Nietzsche and then Heidegger, is the trend that Pirsig swims in. Did he
> take
> > it furhter than the rest, I'm not sure yet. But he is in this very same
> > lineage which was begun by theologians considering the nature of God.
> >
> > Jon
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 11:41 PM, John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> When you say "dropped" Marsha, I can take your meaning two differing
>  ways:
> >>
> >> On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 8:59 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> I tend to agree that the terms God/Creator/Designer should be
> >>> dropped as 'a relic of an evil social suppression of intellectual and
> >>> Dynamic freedom.'
> >>
> >>
> >> The first way of "dropped" is the way we drop a belief in Santa Claus as
> we
> >> grow older and more sophisticated.  An adult realization.  I dropped a
> >> belief in Santa Claus when I was around ten.
> >>
> >> The second possible meaning I can think of is dropped completely, like
> not
> >> even teaching kids about Santa Clause in the first place.  Expunging him
> >> from our social memories.
> >>
> >> Do you mean God should be dropped completely from the world's ideas? Or
> do
> >> you mean on an individual level where a child develops an idea of his
> own
> >> mind and worth by his/her overcoming the belief in God?
> >>
> >> Or Santa Claus, for that matter.
> >>
> >> If you get my question, let me know your answer, or if not one of these
> two
> >> interpretations, some other way of dropping God.
> >>
> >> Like, "OOps.  I just dropped your God.  I hope He didn't break."
> >>
> >> John the God breaker
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