[MD] Reading & Comprehension

[Horse]

Precisely Marsha
Do you now see the problems that are the consequence of seeing SOM as 
the intellectual level.
It destroys the beauty and harmony of the MoQ. Pirsigs work is mangled 
almost beyond recognition.
Intellectual patterns of value are the Intellectual level and vice 
versa. Not SOM. If you go down that path then there are some serious 
consequences.
I'll get back to Platt later on today as I have a fairly packed day 
going through someone else's remix of one of my more complex songs.
Who the hell said being unemployed was a life of leisure!!

On 30/04/2010 09:43, MarshaV wrote:
> Platt&  Bo,
>
> Now you two have me confused.  I understand it to be that
> the Social Level is made of social-spovs, and the Intellectual
> (SOM) Level is made up of intellectual-spovs, and the Biological
> Level was made up of biological-spovs, etc., and that ALL
> patterns are conceptual.
>
> Wow!  What a mess.
>
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> Marsha
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> On Apr 30, 2010, at 4:18 AM, skutvik at online.no wrote:
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>> Platt, Horse, Group.
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>> 29 Apr.Platt said to Horse:
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>>> Your wish is my command. Again, you conflate intellectual patterns of
>>> value with the intellectual level. The two are separate concepts
>>> (thoughts, ideas).  Intellectual patterns of value is a broad concept
>>> that includes all sorts of ideas other than SOM that were used to find
>>> food, detect danger and defeat enemies, most of them having to with
>>> the activities of various Gods and spirits. So intellectual (thought)
>>> patterns certainly did exist prior to SOM which wasn't a prominent
>>> concept until the ancient Greeks came up with the idea.
>>>        
>> Great show Platt, this and your previous posts, I must limit myself and
>> have been busy with DMB and his "bulldog" Andre, but you made my
>> day. The MOQ must sooner or later get out of "intellect's" grip i.e. that
>> of conflating thinking - intelligence - with the 4th. level - but from the
>> intense "flak" it will probably be later..
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>>> As for your final question, SOM didn't create the intellectual level.
>>> A man named Pirsig did. Before him there was no "intellectual level"
>>> as such.
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>> I'll have to study Horse's argument to comment this. The MOQ is a
>> new reality and it's not easy to sort out the steps toward it. There is the
>> Phaedrus of ZAMM view and there is the author of ZAMM's view, then
>> there is the horse-MOQ (horse-latin) view and finally the MOQ's view
>> that you promote.
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>> Bodvar
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