[MD] MOQ Recursion

[ARLO J BENSINGER JR]

[DMB]
I think a big part of the confusion here is that the "inorganic level" is taken
as just another term for physical reality, which re-introduces the belief in a
pre-existing physical reality, which puts you right back into scientific
materialism.

[Arlo]
The underlying question here derives from Mary's comment 'levels aren't
concepts'. None of them have so far answered, so I can only speculate, but the
question is, and this can be applied to any level, what type of "pattern of
value" is the "inorganic level" itself. Is it itself an inorganic pattern of
value? Is it a biological pattern of value? A social pattern of value? An
intellectual pattern of value?

I think you know where I stand, I said so much in my agreement with Craig. 

And as I said to Matt, I chose "the inorganic level" because it has less
immediate threat, but the same question applies to the "intellectual level"
itself. That is, according to the MOQ, is the "intellectual level" an
"intellectual pattern of value"? 

In different terms, is the "set of all intellectual patterns" itself also an
"intellectual pattern"? If not, what is it? What type of value-pattern is it,
if not intellectual? 

Those who fear "recursion" seem to think that affixing a new level above
intellect solves their recursive nightmares, but I think you can see where this
will go, it does not. If we construe a new level, say "the MOQ level" above the
intellectual level, and say "the levels are MOQ patterns of value", one can
simply ask, "what type of pattern of value is the MOQ level itself"?