[MD] MOQ Recursion

[david buchanan]

Arlo said to dmb:
Those who fear "recursion" seem to think that affixing a new level above intellect solves their recursive nightmares, but I think you can see where this will go, it does not. If we construe a new level, say "the MOQ level" above the intellectual level, and say "the levels are MOQ patterns of value", one can simply ask, "what type of pattern of value is the MOQ level itself"?

dmb says:
Right, people suffering from this recursive nightmare would do well to simply wake up and smell the coffee. The idea of a new level above the intellectual level is completely ridiculous, don't you think? The levels are supposed to divide everything that would be found in the most complete encyclopedia. It is a conceptual scheme that organizes everything we know of. Adding a new level to this is, in effect, adding a category of reality that does not exist in any encyclopedia. The only that that is NOT described by the four levels is DQ itself, is the directly lived experience. 


This fake problem is a result of thinking that the levels ARE reality itself rather than an intellectual description. And within that description, Pirsig asserts the idea that there is more than one way to describe these things. But you know all this already, Arlo. I'm just lending some support.