[MD] MOQ Recursion

[MarshaV]

On Aug 5, 2010, at 1:05 PM, ARLO J BENSINGER JR wrote:

> [Marsha]
> Yes, it denotes Reality = Quality(unpatterned experience/patterned experience). 
> 
> [Arlo]
> So there is "Quality", and then there is the "Metaphysics of Quality" which
> describes Quality as being Reality. And yet you don't think this is a
> "definition"? 
> 
> Also, is a "label" a static pattern of value? If not, what is it? According to
> the Metaphysics of Quality, there is only DQ and SQ (static patterns of value),
> if the Metaphysics of Quality is not a static pattern of value, and not Dynamic
> Quality, you are introducing a new metaphysical aspect, "labels", that are
> neither DQ nor SQ into the mix.

Marsha:
For me the MoQ represents, denotes, signifies, Reality = Quality(unpatterned 
experience/patterned experience). 


> 
> [Arlo previously]
> Right, so you DO NOT think the "Metaphysics of Quality" is a definition or an
> analysis at all?
> 
> [Marsha]
> Within the Intellectual Level it represents ZMM, LILA, Lila's Child, and all
> interviews, dvds, letters, papers and discussions used to divide, define and
> know it.  
> 
> [Arlo]
> What you are describing are things to divide, define and know Quality. Of these
> things, Pirsig's metaphysics is one. 
> 
> In other words, the "Metaphysics of Quality" is an attempt to divide, define
> and know Quality. 
> 
> Remember the "it's all just an analogy" in ZMM. Do you not think that the
> "Metaphysics of Quality" is one such analogy used to talk about Quality? 
> 
> You really seem to confuse the undefinable (Quality) with Pirsig's attempt at a
> definition (the Metaphysics of Quality). 

Marsha:
For me, once the defining and analysis has started the 'MoQ' has dropped into 
the Intellectual Level where it represents ZMM, LILA, Lila's Child, and all 
interviews, letters, dvds, papers and discussions used to divide, define and 
know it.  


> 
> [Marsha]
> Your label is Arlo.  My label is Marsha.
> 
> [Arlo]
> "Arlo" is a social pattern of value (the "name" and its social use, of course).
> It's value is in how it mediates social activity to enable greater
> possibilities (inheritance, identity, responsibility, ownership, longitudinal
> engagement, etc.) of agency.
> 
> Do you think "labels" are not patterns of value?


Marsha:
Should I locate and dust off my books on semiotics?  I'm not interested in 
going so far off track.  Sorry, I'll stick to my statements as given.

 
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