[MD] MOQ Recursion

Matt Kundert pirsigaffliction at hotmail.com
Thu Aug 5 10:57:25 PDT 2010


> [Marsha]
> For me the MoQ represents, denotes, signifies, Reality = Quality(unpatterned
> experience/patterned experience).
> 
> [Arlo]
> So the "Metaphysics of Quality" is a label, but it is not a definition or
> analysis?? 
> 
> [Marsha]
> I am saying that once the defining and analysis has started the 'MoQ' has
> dropped into the Intellectual Level

Matt:
Another way to apply Arlo's attempt to see what cards people are 
holding is to ask:

Okay, granted "once the defining and analysis has started the 'MoQ' 
has dropped into the Intellectual Level."

Then: Where was it before?  What is this place that the MoQ exists 
and Falls from?

I can appreciate you, Marsha, wanting to say just what you want to say, 
but I think Arlo just wants to know what you mean.  You're defining 
"labeling" as different than "definition," which is fair enough, but we 
just need to know how and in what respects.  For you've also equated 
"labeling" with "representing," "denoting," and "signifying."  And for 
people like myself who are used to understanding "signification" as 
something that can only be understood as contextualized in a pattern, 
your pattern of labels and denotations seem counterintuitive.  To know 
what you mean, we need to be helped to understanding how, in the 
practical sense of what follows inferentially from what, you find them 
intuitive.

Matt
 		 	   		  


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