[MD] MOQ Recursion

[MarshaV]

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On Aug 5, 2010, at 4:15 PM, ARLO J BENSINGER JR wrote:

> [Matt to Marsha]
> Okay, granted "once the defining and analysis has started the 'MoQ'  has
> dropped into the Intellectual Level."
> 
> [Arlo]
> I don't grant this, Matt, precisely because the "Metaphysics of Quality" IS
> "defining and analysis" of Quality. I really think Marsha is confusing the
> undefinable (Quality) with Pirsig's attempt to analyze it (the Metaphysics of
> Quality).
> 
> How can one possibly say the "Metaphysics of Quality" precedes "defining and
> analysis"??? It exists due to the very act of "defining and analysis"
> undertaking by Pirsig!
> 
> [Matt]
> Then: Where was it before?  What is this place that the MoQ exists and falls
> from?
> 
> [Arlo]
> Marsha will just repeat herself, as she's been doing, but here I am beginning
> to see the issue may be in the objectification of the acronym (MOQ). If we
> spell it out, the question almost sounds silly.
> 
> Where was it before? What is this place that the Metaphysics of Quality exists
> and falls from?
> 
> [Matt to Marsha]
> You're defining "labeling" as different than "definition," which is fair
> enough, but we just need to know how and in what respects. For you've also
> equated "labeling" with "representing," "denoting," and "signifying."  And for
> people like myself who are used to understanding "signification" as something
> that can only be understood as contextualized in a pattern, your pattern of
> labels and denotations seem counterintuitive. 
> 
> [Arlo]
> Yes. And, this still begets the question as to what "labels" are. If a "label"
> is not DQ nor SQ, then what is it. If it is SQ, a pattern of value, then what
> type of pattern of value is it (I-B-S-I)?
> 
> This really seems to propose a third metaphysical element, the Quality is
> DQ+SQ+"labels".
> 
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