[MD] MOQ Recursion

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Arlo:> > 
> > If it is not an inorganic or biological or social or intellectual
> > pattern of value, what is it?
> 
> [Mary replies]
> A pattern of values is exactly that - a pattern of values.  That is the
> intellectual level way to describe something which really cannot be properly
> described at all by the Intellectual Level.  Do you see?  The whole problem
> here is that the MoQ cannot be completely understood in terms of the
> Intellectual Level.  The Intellectual Level is inadequate to describe that
> of which it is but a part.

Matt:

What I'm guessing Arlo would agree with, and why the "recursion" bit in the 
subject line has, I think, so far remained mysterious, is that once one 
_doesn't_ understand intellectual-level behavior as, in ZMM's vocabulary, _the 
dialectic_, as the usurper that tries to _encapsulate_ the Good, one has no need 
to fear recursion, or in the philosophical problematic given to us by the 
Ancients: fear of the infinite regress.  (Indeed, some are working on how 
recursion is a necessary piece of language and mind.)  Specifically to the 
Metaphysics of Quality, once one no longer fears recursion, one will no longer 
think that the static/DQ distinction is "inadequate," which under your 
understanding, I take it, it would have to be.  For the intellectual pattern 
designated by "Dynamic Quality" is a perfectly legitimate pattern, though it 
refers to something generally undefined.  


Ron:
Matt, I feel you really point to the the central idea of what a metaphysics of 
quality means, the axiom
of non-contradiction is based on the very idea you mentioned, as response to 
infinite regress that 

elenchus initiates.

Ironically enough the axiom of non-contradiction is based on value, the good,or 
quality.


It makes me ask questions like:
Is meaning, value? 
Are they different terms for a similar experience, ones we call "true".
Does it help the dialog to express it like this, does it offer greater clarity.

I know I go to Aristotle alot, I have learned alot from the works, this 
explanation
being of particular value, the explanation in response to infinite regress, it 
neglects
the good.
The axiom is an intellectual agreement. A kind of criteria for intellectual 
quality.