[MD] MOQ Recursion

[ARLO J BENSINGER JR]

[Bo]
Arlo wants us to tell him what the levels are! Wow, after all these years he is
still at that stage!

[Arlo]
What I want, Bo, is for you to tell me if the "levels" are static patterns of
value or not. 

[Bo]
Pirsig says that all things, phenomena ..etc. are to be found inside the
levels, these and DQ are all there are, thus Arlo's weird logic finds that the
levels themselves - the classification term "level" - must be some new
category, neither static nor dynamic.      

[Arlo]
What a magnificent Pee-Wee! Of course I think the "levels" are static patterns
of value, well within Pirsig's statement that all things are SQ of some sort
other than DQ itself.

Are you now admitting that the "levels" themselves are static patterns of
value!?

[Bo]
Mary did not say that the classification "intellectual" is an intellectual
pattern, she merely concluded that you yearned for that reply...

[Arlo]
So the "classification" is NOT an intellectual pattern of value? Is it a
pattern of value at all? If so, what kind? You just said above that all things
must be either DQ or SQ, so what is a "classification" if it is neither of
these things?

You see, it is you who keep adding "weird" new metaphysical categories.

[Bo]
Do we hear Aristotle's SOM  reverberating down through the millennias "An
intellectual (read: subjective) description of objective Quality".

[Arlo]
You obviously hear all kinds of voices in your head, Bo, but I never said
intellectual was subjective and Quality was objective. That is YOUR hang-up.
Not mine.

What I said was "all this is just an analogy". All metaphysical descriptions of
'reality' are just that, attempts to define the indefinable.

The sad thing here is that you are guilty of the very objectification you
accuse me of. You have objectified "the MOQ" to the point of deification, where
it is no longer an analogy but reality itself.

The metaphysics of Quality are what Pirsig called his metaphysical
speculations, ideas about the "nature of reality".

Quality is neither subjective nor objective. It precedes that metaphysical
distinction. Patterns of value are what solidify in the wake of Quality, and of
these are intellectual descriptions of the always indefinable Quality, one of
which is Pirsig's metaphysical musings.