[MD] Quality and Chaos

[Krimel]

> [Krimel]
> Same deal with theologians BTW, as I have said in the past both
Christianity
> and Buddhism seek to place followers in a position to mediate the slings
and
> arrows of outrageous fortune. Christians through faith and trust in the
> chaotic will of God and Buddhist through lowered expectation. 

[Marsha]
Lowered expectations?  This did make me laugh?  It's true, though, if you 
expect to find the Ultimate Truth.   

[Krimel]
Buddhist claim suffering is the result of desire and to eliminate suffering
you must eliminate desire. I call that lowering expectation. It isn't just a
matter of Ultimate Truth. It can be the pain in your ass. The pain in your
ass only causes suffering because you desire it to go away. Eliminate that
desire and you will still have the pain but it will not cause you suffer.

Something I read a long time ago talked about the profound philosophy of the
east that in the end proscribes passivity and submission. Zen is the perfect
religion for an emperor who wants compliant subjects. I guess that works for
the "gods" as well. 

> "Eris... is the Greek goddess of strife, her name being translated into
> Latin as Discordia. Her Greek opposite is Harmonia, whose Latin
counterpart
> is Concordia."
> -wiki

[Marsha]
Three cheers for Beethoven!!!  

[Krimel]
And three cheers for Malaclypse the Younger, who makes Discord the central
figure in his "Principia Discordia." For followers of the Discordian
revelation, like Taoists, "... chaos is all that there is, ...disorder and
order are both illusions that are imposed on chaos."