[MD] Quality and Chaos

[MarshaV]

On Aug 12, 2010, at 1:12 PM, Krimel wrote:

>> [Krimel]
>> Same deal with theologians BTW, as I have said in the past both
> Christianity
>> and Buddhism seek to place followers in a position to mediate the slings
> and
>> arrows of outrageous fortune. Christians through faith and trust in the
>> chaotic will of God and Buddhist through lowered expectation. 
> 
> [Marsha]
> Lowered expectations?  This did make me laugh?  It's true, though, if you 
> expect to find the Ultimate Truth.   
> 
> [Krimel]
> Buddhist claim suffering is the result of desire and to eliminate suffering
> you must eliminate desire. I call that lowering expectation. It isn't just a
> matter of Ultimate Truth. It can be the pain in your ass. The pain in your
> ass only causes suffering because you desire it to go away. Eliminate that
> desire and you will still have the pain but it will not cause you suffer.

Naaa, the idea is to eliminate suffering.  I've heard the Dalai Lama speak 
of this.  Desiring to become enlightened or compassionate are clearly positive 
desires.  


> Something I read a long time ago talked about the profound philosophy of the
> east that in the end proscribes passivity and submission. Zen is the perfect
> religion for an emperor who wants compliant subjects. I guess that works for
> the "gods" as well. 
> 
>> "Eris... is the Greek goddess of strife, her name being translated into
>> Latin as Discordia. Her Greek opposite is Harmonia, whose Latin
> counterpart
>> is Concordia."
>> -wiki
> 
> [Marsha]
> Three cheers for Beethoven!!!  
> 
> [Krimel]
> And three cheers for Malaclypse the Younger, who makes Discord the central
> figure in his "Principia Discordia." For followers of the Discordian
> revelation, like Taoists, "... chaos is all that there is, ...disorder and
> order are both illusions that are imposed on chaos."

I've met a few Discordians, but never traveled in that direction.



Marsha



 
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