[MD] Quality and Chaos

[Krimel]

> [Krimel]
> Buddhist claim suffering is the result of desire and to eliminate
suffering
> you must eliminate desire. I call that lowering expectation. It isn't just
a
> matter of Ultimate Truth. It can be the pain in your ass. The pain in your
> ass only causes suffering because you desire it to go away. Eliminate that
> desire and you will still have the pain but it will not cause you suffer.

[Marsha]
Naaa, the idea is to eliminate suffering.  I've heard the Dalai Lama speak 
of this.  Desiring to become enlightened or compassionate are clearly
positive 
desires.  

[Krimel]
In the end as I understand Buddhism the desire for enlightenment and
compassion are among the final stumbling blocks on the path to eliminating
desire. They too produce suffering resulting from their lack.