[MD] Quality and Chaos

[MarshaV]

On Aug 12, 2010, at 2:42 PM, Krimel wrote:

>> [Krimel]
>> Buddhist claim suffering is the result of desire and to eliminate
> suffering
>> you must eliminate desire. I call that lowering expectation. It isn't just
> a
>> matter of Ultimate Truth. It can be the pain in your ass. The pain in your
>> ass only causes suffering because you desire it to go away. Eliminate that
>> desire and you will still have the pain but it will not cause you suffer.
> 
> [Marsha]
> Naaa, the idea is to eliminate suffering.  I've heard the Dalai Lama speak 
> of this.  Desiring to become enlightened or compassionate are clearly
> positive 
> desires.  
> 
> [Krimel]
> In the end as I understand Buddhism the desire for enlightenment and
> compassion are among the final stumbling blocks on the path to eliminating
> desire. They too produce suffering resulting from their lack.
> 

Marsha:
Yes, this is true for the long run, but in the short-run they are valuable.  
Maybe it's the attachment to an expected result at having obtained the 
'object' of desire that is the cause of suffering.  


 
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