[MD] Quality and Chaos

[Krimel]

Marsha:
Yes, this is true for the long run, but in the short-run they are valuable.

Maybe it's the attachment to an expected result at having obtained the 
'object' of desire that is the cause of suffering.  

[Krimel]
But see there you use those words "value" and "excepted". Both are the
causes of suffering. They are sources of pain because in a chaotic world we
always lose what we value and our expectations are frequently violated. 

Lowered expectation is a sure cure for suffering but personally I find
almost no consolation in that. But then I don't find much solace in
submission to a "chaotic" will either. On the other hand I dearly love the
Jew's ironic attitude to all this. You know stuff like this:

God, I know we are your chosen people, but couldn't you choose somebody else
for a change?
- Shalom Aleichem

Let me tell you the one thing I have against Moses. He took us forty years
into the desert in order to bring us to the one place in the Middle East
that has no oil!
- Golda Meir

If the rich could hire the poor to die for them, the poor would make a very
nice living. 
- Jewish Proverb

I'm Jewish. I don't work out. If God had wanted us to bend over, He would
have put diamonds on the floor.
- Joan Rivers

Not a lot of bull shit about oughts just bemused acceptance of is-ness.