[MD] Quality and Chaos

[Krimel]

> Marsha:
> Just a final note to voice my dislike of oughts, shoulds and the like,
even 
> something like compassion for me should exist by internal combustion,
> not someone else's suggestion or commandment.  
> 
> [Krimel]
> Yeah, I get that. Reminds me of another underrated Christian notion:
> revelation. It is like insight, or enlightenment. Truth get "revealed" to
> us.

[Marsha]
I emptied the Christian teacup long ago.

[Krimel]
I have noticed your kneejerk reaction which is why I bring it up now and
then, of course. I too find much in modern Christianity that is contemptible
but I also find a great deal of value. I was talking to one of my devoutly
atheistic offspring recently and I mentioned that it was entirely possible
for an atheist to be a Christian. 

After all, if I claim to be a Christian who's to say I am not. Now I might
be refused into the fellowship of particular Christians but fuck them, they
are not the boss of me. If I claim to be a Kantian or a logical atomist or a
wizard or a bard, who is to say I am not whatever I claim to be.

In the end, I said, that while I can think of ways and reasons for calling
myself a Christian I don't; mostly because I don't want to be associated in
any way with the hordes of assholes who do.

> [Krimel]
> We really don't much use that light or see that revelation, unless
> we feel we have some hand in flipping the switch. 

[Marsha]
Flipping the switch, to me, means turning off thought for a bit as in:   

"While sustaining biological and social patterns
Kill all intellectual patterns.
Kill them completely
And then follow Dynamic Quality
And morality will be served"
   (LILA, Chapter 32)
 
[Krimel]
But when the light gets switched back on, as it always does, it is pretty
much the same shit in a different light.