[MD] Theocracy, Secularism, and Democracy

X Acto xacto at rocketmail.com
Sun Aug 15 05:04:30 PDT 2010


Dmb said:


See, every stage of reality's unfolding is about God and religion, even the most 
primitive phase wherein "man cannot form an idea of anything". The whole thing 
is nothing but a divine unfolding. So when Pirsig adds a forth stage where the 
term "God" is dropped, you're supposed to laugh at how neatly and quickly he 
disposes of the whole trajectory of the thing. He's saying, politely, this is 
not philosophy at all. It's just religion, a relic of the social suppression of 
thought. He's mocking this overtly theistic form of Idealism by suggesting they 
drop their central term; God. I think it's pretty damn hilarious, actually.



Ron replies:

I think he's asking them to keep the spirit of the trajectory but be more 
sensitive to definitions and meaning.
Because we are talking about feeling at this point. What drives drives both 
philosophy and religion, our values.

I never read Pirsig as mocking, interesting.

But yea, I took it as a call to explore the root of both where one is expected 
to drop God and materialism
both ideas of absolute truths.

And explore our reasons for holding certain values

                        
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