[MD] Social level for humans only

[John Carl]

On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 4:59 PM, <plattholden at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Joe,
>
> On 18 Aug 2010 at 13:56, Joseph  Maurer wrote:
>
> The thing that makes humans unique is the ability to process DQ in an
> evolutionary way.
>
> [P]
> Agree.
>
> [J]
> The first self-reflective faculty of this capability is
> the Emotions.  Emotions are unique in that they are DQ only.  Love is DQ
> and
> only described by analogy.
>
> [P]
> "The MOQ sees emotions as a biological response to quality and not the same
> thing as quality.  There are many cases, particularly in economic activity
> where values occur without any emotion." (LC, NOte 141)
>
>
[JC]

Bullshit.  ouch.

Emotions are social responses.   Lizards and amoebas are biological, but
they emote not.



> [J]
> I have no idea how to describe a social level in
> terms of DQ/SQ.
>
>
[JC]

Intellectual understand is DQ to a social pattern.  SQ is any stable,
long-lasting society or group.



> [P]
> SQ at the social level is the Giant. DQ is accessible at this level so long
> as
> SOL, with its absence of the concept of DQ, doesn't to try guide the Giant.
>

[JC]

Poppycock (a polite term for "bullshit that doesn't get me bonked by Lu)

SOL says intellect is SOM, RMP says upper levels are DQ to lower.  Your
statement, Platt, makes no sense.



> [J]
> Intellect is defined as SOL (thanks BO) DQ/SQ.
>

[JC]

DQ to intellect is romantically perceived, dynamically generated
realization.  Logos born of mythos.  Certainly not the other way around

[J]


> Higher
> emotional and higher intellectual levels are also DQ only, the purview of
> heroes.
>
>

[JC]

Come down from your heavenly choirs, Joe.  There are no heroes.




> [P}
> DQ is the purview of all who pursue the Conceptually Unknown in order "to
> bring something out of that unknown into a static form that would be of
> value
> to everyone." (SODV)  I agree such individuals are heroes.
>
> Regards,
> Platt
>
>
[jc]

 Well... I guess I'll have to take your word for it Platt, You are older
than me.  But I never seen such a thing in all MY experience.

I mean for starters, wtf is "Conceptually Unknown" and if you know it,
doesn't that obviate it's label?