[MD] Social level for humans only

[Platt Holden]

On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:30 PM, John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 4:59 PM, <plattholden at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Joe,
> >
> > On 18 Aug 2010 at 13:56, Joseph  Maurer wrote:
> >
> > The thing that makes humans unique is the ability to process DQ in an
> > evolutionary way.
> >
> > [P]
> > Agree.
> >
> > [J]
> > The first self-reflective faculty of this capability is
> > the Emotions.  Emotions are unique in that they are DQ only.  Love is DQ
> > and
> > only described by analogy.
> >
> > [P]
> > "The MOQ sees emotions as a biological response to quality and not the
> same
> > thing as quality.  There are many cases, particularly in economic
> activity
> > where values occur without any emotion." (LC, NOte 141)
> >
> >
> [JC]
>
> Bullshit.  ouch.
>
> Emotions are social responses.   Lizards and amoebas are biological, but
> they emote not.
>

Bull yourself. What do you think activates lizards and amoebas, intellect?

>
>  > [J]
> > I have no idea how to describe a social level in
> > terms of DQ/SQ.
> >
> >
> [JC]
>
> Intellectual understand is DQ to a social pattern.  SQ is any stable,
> long-lasting society or group.
>

Say what?

>
>  > [P]
> > SQ at the social level is the Giant. DQ is accessible at this level so
> long
> > as
> > SOL, with its absence of the concept of DQ, doesn't to try guide the
> Giant.
> >
>
> [JC]
>
> Poppycock (a polite term for "bullshit that doesn't get me bonked by Lu)
>
> SOL says intellect is SOM, RMP says upper levels are DQ to lower.  Your
> statement, Platt, makes no sense.
>

Check what Pirsig says about the Giant and intellectually guided societies.


>
>
> > [J]
> > Intellect is defined as SOL (thanks BO) DQ/SQ.
> >
>
> [JC]
>
> DQ to intellect is romantically perceived, dynamically generated
> realization.  Logos born of mythos.  Certainly not the other way around
>
> [J]
>
>
> > Higher
> > emotional and higher intellectual levels are also DQ only, the purview of
> > heroes.
> >
> >
>
> [JC]
>
> Come down from your heavenly choirs, Joe.  There are no heroes.
>
>
> > [P}
> > DQ is the purview of all who pursue the Conceptually Unknown in order "to
> > bring something out of that unknown into a static form that would be of
> > value
> > to everyone." (SODV)  I agree such individuals are heroes.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Platt
> >
> >
> [jc]
>
>  Well... I guess I'll have to take your word for it Platt, You are older
> than me.  But I never seen such a thing in all MY experience.
>

Sorry about that.


> [jc]
> I mean for starters, wtf is "Conceptually Unknown" and if you know it,
> doesn't that obviate it's label?
>
> If you knew what it was you wouldn't call it unknown would you?

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