[MD] Social level for humans only

Magnus Berg McMagnus at home.se
Fri Aug 20 01:01:40 PDT 2010


Hi Craig

> [Magnus]
>
>> Do you see anything [in Pirsig's 2nd level]
>> about self-sacrifice for
>> the common good like ants do?
>
> Ants don't "self-sacrifice for the common good".

I'm pretty sure a whole bunch of zoologists would disagree with you on that.

A few examples: (Just Google for "ant self sacrifice")

http://www.physorg.com/news141485303.html
http://nonhumancommunications.blogspot.com/2007/05/ants-show-humans-value-of-self.html
http://www.cyf-kr.edu.pl/~rotofils/Tofilski_etal_2008.pdf

So, yes, I'm even more sure now.


> [Magnus]
>> Much of
>> our non-biological humanity is also
>> biologically inherited, such as
>> mother-instinct, compassion, etc.
>
> These are all biological examples.

Ah, I see you have an own definition of the social level, let's see, you 
said (Aug 14):

"If they were hard-wired they would, of course, be biological"

So you put every animal from one cell amoebas to humans in the 
biological basket, right?

But then, the problem I presented to Andre the other day pops up. The 1. 
2. 3. reasoning about human intellect. How do you fix that?

	Magnus







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