[MD] Social level for humans only

[John Carl]

Magnus, Craig, Frank

I'm completely dumbfounded (or maybe just dumb)  how greed, lust or mother
instinct could be construed as biological drives rather than social.  I know
this is probably Moq heresy, but I agree with Magnus.

The biological level is narrowly concerned only with mechanisms and
reactions.  It takes a social consciousness to care - to lust.  Hunger is
admittedly biological, but desire for more food (greed) arises only out of
fear for the future self, that stems from a socially created and comparative
self.

Seems so plain to me.

John


On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 11:45 PM, <craigerb at comcast.net> wrote:

> [Magnus]
>
> > Do you see anything [in Pirsig's 2nd level]
> > about self-sacrifice for
> > the common good like ants do?
>
> Ants don't "self-sacrifice for the common good".
>
> [Magnus]
> > Much of
> > our non-biological humanity is also
> > biologically inherited, such as
> > mother-instinct, compassion, etc.
>
> These are all biological examples.
> Craig
>
>
>
> The fact that it's biologically inherited is totally irrelevant. Much of
> our non-biological humanity is also biologically inherited, such as
> mother-instinct, compassion, etc.
>
> Your MoQ may have solved some problems, but in the wake you have created
> loads of other problems.
>
>        Magnus
> Craig
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