[MD] Speed of Lighting, Roar of thunder...

[craigerb at comcast.net]

[Magnus]
> We not only derive concepts, we also *experience*. 
> Those experiences are still real, even before we conceptualize them.
> SQ patterns exist outside our concepts of them.


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IMHO this is the fundamental controversy in the MD:
"the MoQ creates reality" or "we create SQ" or spovs are ideas 

vs.
"SQ patterns exist outside our concepts of them"
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[Krimel]
> reality is fundamentally chaotic.

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Or perhaps we just don't understand it well enough yet.

Craig