[MD] Speed of Lighting, Roar of thunder...

[Frank Booth]

Marsha:  
I think the difficulty is the deep seated pronouns that live in
us all.  Patterns do exist outside "my self".  Static patterns of 
value represent all that can be conceptualized.  Similar patterns 
(redundancy included to emphasize a point) exist across 
many human beings and across many generations of time.  

<FRANK>
You seem to be saying that static patterns are the source of static patterns. 
Very unMoQish of you.