[MD] Speed of Lighting, Roar of thunder...

[Magnus Berg]

Hi

On 2010-08-24 15:07, Krimel wrote:
>> [Krimel]
>> True dat!
>> Life without concepts is life on life support.
>> For those who object, I recommend advanced directives.
>> If you want to stay plugged in, you are going to have be engaged.
>> The decision isn't between concept and no-concept...
>> It's a matter of which concepts.
>>
>> So yeah, decision, concept and no-concept are concepts
>> Either grab one or STFU.
>
> [Magnus]
> So, what you're saying is that the universe wasn't created by the big
> bang, but by the first human being who conceptualized it?
>
> [Krimel]
> No.
>
> [Magnus]
> And the fossils of the dinosaurs, and the afterglow of the big bang, and
> the light coming at us from all directions of the universe at the speed
> of light, are also just a part of a universal conspiracy?
>
> [Krimel]
> I don't see any connection between my comments and you questions. So, "No"
> again.

I'm confused, first you agree with Frank who said:

"Perspectives, worlds, real worlds, being, becoming are human concepts 
(patterns). Stepping out of the human world is a human concept 
(pattern). No one gets outta here alive, bubba. Not getting outta here 
alive is a human concept (pattern)."

Then you emphasize that with your statement above leading up to the "STFU".

But now, you say that the universe did exist before anyone had 
conceptualized it.

Does it still exist outside of our concepts of it? Or did it seize to 
exist when we conceptualized it?

I think you need to decide which. You seem to be taking both sides now.

	Magnus