[MD] The whole yin yang thing

[MarshaV]

John,

I couldn't tell you anything.  You wouldn't hear it.  You'd be 
too quick to reconstruct it into a story of your own design.  
That's not what friends do, that's not what caring is about.


Marsha  








On Aug 24, 2010, at 3:38 PM, MarshaV wrote:

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> You are projecting again, a whole bunch of things that have nothing 
> to do with what's on my mind.  I fully acknowledge there are differences 
> between men and women.  Entertain yourself...  
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> On Aug 24, 2010, at 2:19 PM, John Carl wrote:
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>> I was caught up short recently, in a dialogue with Marsha that started to
>> get heated so I thought I'd take a moment and reflect upon the deeper
>> issues.  Take some time and e-valuate.
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>> From my perspective, it bugs Marsha when observed differences between the
>> sexes are explicated.  It gets a rise out of her that usually instantiates
>> as "Women have been oppressed and trodden down for ages, and still are in
>> many places, BECAUSE of those perceived differences - which men use to
>> excuse dominating behavior."
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>> And my immediate reaction is, "so what?"  What does this have to do with
>> me?  I certainly don't believe in oppressing women because of their
>> differences.  I'd probably been kicked out of my particular household long
>> ago, if that were true.  So what's the point?  Am I supposed to make up for
>> past injustice?  By offering a "free pass" now?
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>> Perhaps some sort of reparations are in order?  How many years of bowing
>> before the hive queen?  before the sins of the fathers are no longer visited
>> upon the heads of the children?
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>> There are no free passes in metaphysics.  Sorry.  If a pattern is
>> observable, then it's existant and fair game for analysis and discussion.
>> The whole division of male/female, wasn't exactly a human invention.  Nature
>> came up with that one.  The fact of "division between" does not necessarily
>> mean "opposition too".
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>> It's the whole competitive sphere that gets people riled up.  The idea that
>> we compete for power.  It's silly.  And dangerous. And pervasive in
>> modernity,  techno-socially reinforced on every side by romantic comedies.
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>> - but that's another story.
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>> In my pause in dialogue with Marsha,  other considerations arose.  It seems
>> an awful lot like she's had to deal with a lot of flack already.  Criticism
>> from almost every corner, all the guys on this list except for Bo, and he
>> just got excluded.  So Marsha's had to deal with a lot of rejection.  And I
>> wince at piling on.
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>> It's not fair to beat up on a girl.  My instincts resist.
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>> You have to admit, the irony is delicious.
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>> As for the whole masculine/feminine orientation of human thought, I sorta
>> agree with the eastern ways of liberation, and the rest of humanity, and the
>> actual division of our natural brain, that these differences are
>> empirically demonstrable and metaphysically significant.
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>> And oughtn't be swept away because of the ways these differences were used
>> in the past, present or future.
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>> See, there's a baby,  And then there's bathwater.  And a good mom knows the
>> difference.  And a good man, doesn't back down, just to "get along" cuz some
>> queen is having her period.
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>> No matter how painful that "not getting along", can be.
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>> Right is right and wrong is wrong.
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>> And "nyet-nyet" is nothing worth mentioning.
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