[MD] The whole yin yang thing

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John,
My take on it is chauvanism is chauvanism.
No matter how it's justified. The male/female issue is superflouse.

jus ma two cents

-R



----- Original Message ----
From: John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com>
To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 2:19:27 PM
Subject: [MD] The whole yin yang thing

I was caught up short recently, in a dialogue with Marsha that started to
get heated so I thought I'd take a moment and reflect upon the deeper
issues.  Take some time and e-valuate.

From my perspective, it bugs Marsha when observed differences between the
sexes are explicated.  It gets a rise out of her that usually instantiates
as "Women have been oppressed and trodden down for ages, and still are in
many places, BECAUSE of those perceived differences - which men use to
excuse dominating behavior."

And my immediate reaction is, "so what?"  What does this have to do with
me?  I certainly don't believe in oppressing women because of their
differences.  I'd probably been kicked out of my particular household long
ago, if that were true.  So what's the point?  Am I supposed to make up for
past injustice?  By offering a "free pass" now?

Perhaps some sort of reparations are in order?  How many years of bowing
before the hive queen?  before the sins of the fathers are no longer visited
upon the heads of the children?

There are no free passes in metaphysics.  Sorry.  If a pattern is
observable, then it's existant and fair game for analysis and discussion.
The whole division of male/female, wasn't exactly a human invention.  Nature
came up with that one.  The fact of "division between" does not necessarily
mean "opposition too".

It's the whole competitive sphere that gets people riled up.  The idea that
we compete for power.  It's silly.  And dangerous. And pervasive in
modernity,  techno-socially reinforced on every side by romantic comedies.

- but that's another story.



In my pause in dialogue with Marsha,  other considerations arose.  It seems
an awful lot like she's had to deal with a lot of flack already.  Criticism
from almost every corner, all the guys on this list except for Bo, and he
just got excluded.  So Marsha's had to deal with a lot of rejection.  And I
wince at piling on.

It's not fair to beat up on a girl.  My instincts resist.


You have to admit, the irony is delicious.


As for the whole masculine/feminine orientation of human thought, I sorta
agree with the eastern ways of liberation, and the rest of humanity, and the
actual division of our natural brain, that these differences are
empirically demonstrable and metaphysically significant.

And oughtn't be swept away because of the ways these differences were used
in the past, present or future.

See, there's a baby,  And then there's bathwater.  And a good mom knows the
difference.  And a good man, doesn't back down, just to "get along" cuz some
queen is having her period.

No matter how painful that "not getting along", can be.

Right is right and wrong is wrong.

And "nyet-nyet" is nothing worth mentioning.
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