[MD] Speed of Lighting, Roar of thunder...

[ADRIE KINTZIGER]

hi guys, Magnus , Krimel,

Gravity was always present in the universe , it only became existing by
observing it , the set was complete.

differentiation; differentiate existence from ,....was present before
existence.
Pirsig himself is pointing out towards this line of thinking in an interview
somewhere, when he is asked the question
did'n gravity exist before Newton? wat was the apple doing then before
Newton,; Pirsig answers , "it just felt"
IMPLICATING that gravity was present before Newton, before it was
formulated.
It was just there, outside of recognizible existence.


Quote Krimel /Magnus

[Krimel]
Isn't this the point of Pirsig's gravity example? Gravity is a signifier
that points to a set of patterns in the world. I do believe that things fell
to earth prior to Newton and at more or less that same accelerating rate
that he clocked. But the concept of gravity was a new thing under the sun
when he wrote it down.

[Magnus]
Does it still exist outside of our concepts of it? Or did it seize to
exist when we conceptualized it?




Adrie
For us , human's it seized to be observable only, and therefore was present
outside our field of observable facts.
Krimel has a case, proving he's on the case by understanding the case.some
finetuning and he is arriving.



( for Magnus)
I'm aware of my bad habbit for new threads , launching the complete set
everytime, Magnus,taking bandwith...,
but the reason is this , my windows environment is emulated within a
mac-environment , and vice-versa, this is to switch
windows-mac, the suite's are working good , but i seem to loose some
functionality of my keybord for cuting/pasting on the adress-bars.
I can change it , but then i loose the personal different from normal
unicodesettings of my machine everytime.
and these are used by my son, when he comes back from Sout Africa next week
, i will have him look into this, probably he wil emulate a new keybord for
me.
so my settings will be changed next week.until then, be patient.

greetzz.Adrie



2010/8/24 Krimel <Krimel at krimel.com>

> [Magnus]
> I'm confused, first you agree with Frank who said:
>
> [Krimel]
> Yes, you are but I think that's because this is confusing. After 10 or so
> years of having it explained to him Bo never got it, after all.
>
> [Magnus]
> But now, you say that the universe did exist before anyone had
> conceptualized it.
>
> [Krimel]
> Isn't this the point of Pirsig's gravity example? Gravity is a signifier
> that points to a set of patterns in the world. I do believe that things
> fell
> to earth prior to Newton and at more or less that same accelerating rate
> that he clocked. But the concept of gravity was a new thing under the sun
> when he wrote it down.
>
> [Magnus]
> Does it still exist outside of our concepts of it? Or did it seize to
> exist when we conceptualized it?
>
> [Krimel]
> I would say yes that something undefined is going on whether we see it or
> not or whether we have concepts about it or not or whether our concepts are
> right or wrong. Shit still happens regardless of whether or how we think
> about it.
>
> [Magnus]
> I think you need to decide which. You seem to be taking both sides now.
>
> [Krimel]
> I decided long ago but despite what anyone tells you I hold open the
> possibility of changing my view. Never-the-less this is one of my chief
> bitches against the AWGI faction.
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