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[MarshaV]

Adrie,

Gravity as an independent existent?   


Marsha  



On Aug 25, 2010, at 4:56 AM, ADRIE KINTZIGER wrote:

> hi guys, Magnus , Krimel,
> 
> Gravity was always present in the universe , it only became existing by
> observing it , the set was complete.
> 
> differentiation; differentiate existence from ,....was present before
> existence.
> Pirsig himself is pointing out towards this line of thinking in an interview
> somewhere, when he is asked the question
> did'n gravity exist before Newton? wat was the apple doing then before
> Newton,; Pirsig answers , "it just felt"
> IMPLICATING that gravity was present before Newton, before it was
> formulated.
> It was just there, outside of recognizible existence.
> 
> 
> Quote Krimel /Magnus
> 
> [Krimel]
> Isn't this the point of Pirsig's gravity example? Gravity is a signifier
> that points to a set of patterns in the world. I do believe that things fell
> to earth prior to Newton and at more or less that same accelerating rate
> that he clocked. But the concept of gravity was a new thing under the sun
> when he wrote it down.
> 
> [Magnus]
> Does it still exist outside of our concepts of it? Or did it seize to
> exist when we conceptualized it?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Adrie
> For us , human's it seized to be observable only, and therefore was present
> outside our field of observable facts.
> Krimel has a case, proving he's on the case by understanding the case.some
> finetuning and he is arriving.
> 
> 
> 
> ( for Magnus)
> I'm aware of my bad habbit for new threads , launching the complete set
> everytime, Magnus,taking bandwith...,
> but the reason is this , my windows environment is emulated within a
> mac-environment , and vice-versa, this is to switch
> windows-mac, the suite's are working good , but i seem to loose some
> functionality of my keybord for cuting/pasting on the adress-bars.
> I can change it , but then i loose the personal different from normal
> unicodesettings of my machine everytime.
> and these are used by my son, when he comes back from Sout Africa next week
> , i will have him look into this, probably he wil emulate a new keybord for
> me.
> so my settings will be changed next week.until then, be patient.
> 
> greetzz.Adrie
> 
> 
> 
> 2010/8/24 Krimel <Krimel at krimel.com>
> 
>> [Magnus]
>> I'm confused, first you agree with Frank who said:
>> 
>> [Krimel]
>> Yes, you are but I think that's because this is confusing. After 10 or so
>> years of having it explained to him Bo never got it, after all.
>> 
>> [Magnus]
>> But now, you say that the universe did exist before anyone had
>> conceptualized it.
>> 
>> [Krimel]
>> Isn't this the point of Pirsig's gravity example? Gravity is a signifier
>> that points to a set of patterns in the world. I do believe that things
>> fell
>> to earth prior to Newton and at more or less that same accelerating rate
>> that he clocked. But the concept of gravity was a new thing under the sun
>> when he wrote it down.
>> 
>> [Magnus]
>> Does it still exist outside of our concepts of it? Or did it seize to
>> exist when we conceptualized it?
>> 
>> [Krimel]
>> I would say yes that something undefined is going on whether we see it or
>> not or whether we have concepts about it or not or whether our concepts are
>> right or wrong. Shit still happens regardless of whether or how we think
>> about it.
>> 
>> [Magnus]
>> I think you need to decide which. You seem to be taking both sides now.
>> 
>> [Krimel]
>> I decided long ago but despite what anyone tells you I hold open the
>> possibility of changing my view. Never-the-less this is one of my chief
>> bitches against the AWGI faction.
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