[MD] Speed of Lighting, Roar of thunder...

[Krimel]

Marsha asked of Krim ...

> The MoQ is based on Darwin and the Tao?  Anyone besides you think
> that this is so?

[IG] 
Yes, clearly.

[Krimel]
A hearty thanks for that one.

[IG] 
Clearly again, the model of evolution has itself evolved as both
Darwin and Pirsig would predict and continues to do so. I see no
difference in the evolutionary processes .... 

[Krimel]
Unfortunately for the MoQ the theory had evolved well past Pirsig at the
time he was writing.

[IG]
I regularly use the word
"species" to denote any static pattern. Species are "special" in the
sense of being distinct, long-lived over multiple generations, and
therefore self-sustaining, repairing / reproducing over many
generations .... in all levels above the organic (not just
biological).

[Krimel]
The power of a runaway metaphor. A meme that floods its banks is devoutly to
be wished for.

[IG]
Clearly Darwin didn't have the benefit of  a Taoist monism at the
heart of his thinking .... GOF phyisicalist scientific objectivism
only .... but see above. Neither Darwin nor Pirsig, nor any of us
(their interpreters) have it 100% right...

[Krimel]
Speak for yourself...