[MD] Speed of Lighting, Roar of thunder...

[Magnus Berg]

Krimel

You've been trying to push this ... 3 times now, but, well...

> 1. Shit Happens.

That's right, can't argue with that.

> 2. Quality is Chaos

Nope. Quality is reality.

> 3. Quality (Chaos) has two aspects DQ (uncertainty) SQ (certainty)

Well, from a human perspective, from which you see the world, that's 
pretty correct. But if you step out into the real world, it's more like 
being and becoming.

> 4. Value (meaning) is reduction of uncertainty.
>     (That is, meaning results from and results in,
>     our ability to create and manipulate static quality)

Meaning is a mapping from an intellectual pattern to another pattern. 
But since you're in the human perspective, everything you see is 
transformed into an intellectual pattern and you don't acknowledge the 
reality of the original experience that created that intellectual 
pattern. So, to you, value and meaning becomes entangled. But they are 
really not.

> 5. Biological organisms are the meaning (SQ) that evolution
>     derives from chaos.

I didn't know you were religious?

No, 5 is just a consequence of 1.

> 6. As such organisms, we create SQ from the DQ around us or to use
>     James' terms, we derive concepts from experience

We not only derive concepts, we also *experience*. Those experiences are 
still real, even before we conceptualize them. SQ patterns exist outside 
our concepts of them.

	Magnus