[MD] TiTs and the Illusion of SOM

[david buchanan]

Babies are becoming socialized the minute their born, because the baby has eye contact with the mom? 

Well, if we can't even agree about that then it's no wonder there is so much disagreement on where to divide the levels.

I'm just stunned. I don't even know how to respond to that. I mean, doesn't every mammal on earth have a responsive mother? It's just so obviously an animal trait that I can't believe anyone could dispute that.



> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 09:23:33 -0700
> From: ridgecoyote at gmail.com
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Subject: Re: [MD] TiTs and the Illusion of SOM
> 
> dmb,
> 
> dmb says:
> > Well, babies are tuned to the environment like every other living thing but
> > this is biological, not social. I think it's safe to say that socialization
> > takes place after we're born.
> >
> 
> Socialization starts after we're born.  Obviously.  There's nobody around to
> socialize with before we're born.  Within the first minute, a baby's gaze is
> on it's mother's eyes.  You can draw a circle and put two dots corresponding
> to where the eyes should be, put it on the wall and that's where an infant's
> gaze will lock.  They have a built-in  urge to socialize.  So I guess it's a
> matter of quibbling over labeling then.  Since they are attempting to
> socialize, I'd call that a socialization process.  Since it's built-in, you
> say it's on the biological level.
> 
> Po-tay-toe, Po-tah-toe.
> 
> I haven't had much college, but I've had a lot of babies.
> 
> John
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