[MD] TiTs and the Illusion of SOM

[John Carl]

You conflated "animal" with "mammal" and my point for some time has been
that mammalian awareness is a process which produces socialization.

And it's not that babies have eye contact, it's that they actively seek it
in active a process.  Socialization process, to be exact.

Mammals.  Not animals.  Protozoans and reptiles need not apply.

John

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 4:55 PM, david buchanan <dmbuchanan at hotmail.com>wrote:

>
> Babies are becoming socialized the minute their born, because the baby has
> eye contact with the mom?
>
> Well, if we can't even agree about that then it's no wonder there is so
> much disagreement on where to divide the levels.
>
> I'm just stunned. I don't even know how to respond to that. I mean, doesn't
> every mammal on earth have a responsive mother? It's just so obviously an
> animal trait that I can't believe anyone could dispute that.
>
>
>
> > Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 09:23:33 -0700
> > From: ridgecoyote at gmail.com
> > To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> > Subject: Re: [MD] TiTs and the Illusion of SOM
> >
> > dmb,
> >
> > dmb says:
> > > Well, babies are tuned to the environment like every other living thing
> but
> > > this is biological, not social. I think it's safe to say that
> socialization
> > > takes place after we're born.
> > >
> >
> > Socialization starts after we're born.  Obviously.  There's nobody around
> to
> > socialize with before we're born.  Within the first minute, a baby's gaze
> is
> > on it's mother's eyes.  You can draw a circle and put two dots
> corresponding
> > to where the eyes should be, put it on the wall and that's where an
> infant's
> > gaze will lock.  They have a built-in  urge to socialize.  So I guess
> it's a
> > matter of quibbling over labeling then.  Since they are attempting to
> > socialize, I'd call that a socialization process.  Since it's built-in,
> you
> > say it's on the biological level.
> >
> > Po-tay-toe, Po-tah-toe.
> >
> > I haven't had much college, but I've had a lot of babies.
> >
> > John
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