[MD] Social level for humans only

Fri Aug 27 10:28:05 PDT 2010

Strange Krimel, that you mention the myelin problem, i'm having it in my
schoulder ,the dokters feared
that i had MS at first, but it remained local, turned out to be triggered by
living on my bycicle, RSI so to speak.
so badly damaged myelinenveloppe's on my nerves , pain all the time, glad it
turned out not to be MS.
But the damage is irreversible, no repair anymore.

I hope i can find the part back from the squidpage referring to the presence
of braincells within the arms.
This machine is hopeless.....

greetzz, Adrie

2010/8/27 Krimel <Krimel at krimel.com>

> Adrie,
> Squids and the like are a fascinating subject. Their neurons work very
> differently from ours. Speed is an important factor in the transmission of
> neural impulses. As you should know there is an electrical and a chemical
> part to neural functioning. There are two ways to speed up the flow of
> neural firing. The one we use us to wrap the neuron fibers with a coating
> of
> fatty cells called myelin. This provides insulation and a serious speed
> boost. About two years ago my immune system decided my myelin was tasty and
> ate it. That sucked but fortunately is seems to be able to repair itself
> which I think is nice. It is an interesting experience to have your nervous
> system crap out. Everything kind of tingles like its fallen asleep and you
> can't wake it up or even shake it.
>
> A second way to speed neurons up is just to make them bigger. That's what
> squids do. In fact giant squids can have individual nerve cells that are as
> much as a millimeter in diameter. Eric Kandel studied the nervous systems
> of
> sea slugs because they have a relatively small number of these relatively
> large neurons. He got a Nobel for figuring out that memory works by
> increasing the efficiency of the action of neurotransmitters across the
> synapse (the chemical part of nerve activity.) It is kind of like explorers
> blazing a trail through the impenetrable Amazon. The first explorer makes a
> narrow path which each successive explorer widens until a path becomes a
> dirt road, which gets paved and widened... That's kind of a bad metaphor
> since it implies increased size to allow efficiency. Maybe it's more like
> pouring water on a playground slide. IDK, something like that anyway.
>
> Krimel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ADRIE KINTZIGER [mailto:parser666 at gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 12:16 PM
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Subject: Re: [MD] Social level for humans only
>
> Yep, Krimel_o,probably it passed by the MoQ-ers eye's some time ago,
> But in an interaction with Arlo , i launched a link once , some time ago,
> about intellect in
> Cephalopods , Squids so to speak, the complete group;..to provide some
> evidence of my earlier statement that
> the intellect in animals differs from zero--
> In that specific link, one was able to read  that the brain of some squids
> is different from other brains , in so far , that
> parts of the neural network , part of the brain, part of the neural cell's
> are in fact residing in the arms of the cephalopods.
> Strangely they seem to be there as stand alone entity's.
> But of course , this only appears to be so.
> nobody knows until today what the function is of this differentiated
> neurons
> in the arms, but if they are having a mirror function for
> touch and recognition, then this points out towards intellect outside of
> the
> brain..try to imagine the implications.
>
> cephalopods owning a handshake verification-protokol that exchanges info ,
> like a personal area network., interacting with other ceph....
> good , aint it?
> And BTW, newly discovered is always controversial, as Darwin found out , in
> evolution.
>
> If i stumble upon the link again i will relaunch it.
>
>
> 2010/8/27 Krimel <Krimel at krimel.com>
>
> > Dave and Adrie,
> > Mirror neurons are new and slightly controversial but it is an
> > extraordinarily interesting idea. It helps explain for example empathy
> and
> > how 30 min. old newborns can imitate adult facial expressions. They
> > highlight several problems that have been kicking around the MoQ lately
> as
> > well.
> >
> > First is the idea that consciousness is king. Mirror neurons are yet
> > another
> > example of a non-conscious process taking place outside of awareness and
> > yet
> > heavily influence both our behavior and our "attitudes".
> >
> > A second interesting point is that they show how memory and conscious
> > processes are not just restricted to the brain. As James points out the
> > whole body is involved. Our memories are not recorded simply as sight and
> > sound but as physical sensation and emotional commitments.
> >
> > Krimel
> > --------------------------------------
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Thomas [mailto:combinedefforts at earthlink.net]
> > Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 11:33 AM
> > To: MoQ
> > Subject: Re: [MD] Social level for humans only
> >
> > On 8/27/10 10:04 AM, "ADRIE KINTZIGER" <parser666 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >[Adrie said]
> > > There is a lot to find i think on wiki-- The triggering switches are
> > called
> > > "mirror neurons"
> > > It is still terra incognita for most part, everybody seems to have this
> > > mirror neurons, they fire simultaniously
> > > and fast if a behaviour is observed.i  was aware of it briefly.
> >
> > Yeah this is a nice piece on the implications which correlates quite
> nicely
> > with my theory that "designing" may have been as or more fundamental in
> > intellectual development as language.
> >
> > http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/ramachandran/ramachandran_index.html
> >
> > Dave
> >
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