[MD] The whole yin yang thing

[John Carl]

Ok, Marsha,  I have no idea how to proceed in a dialogue which always ends
in the same formulation.
Neither do I have a clue how to proceed when rationality is rejected.
My instincts, intuition and all just seem to whisper to me, "this
conversation isn't going anywhere."
My instincts tell me that you are being over-defensive, and any guess I
publish as to why, gets immediately shot down by you as false projection on
my part.

You post "victory" and "winning an argument" as  very important to you and
thus I guess I'll just concede that your superior reasoning (or is it
non-reasoning?  I admit I'm confused) goes right over my head, and I'll take
your word for it that the last word to any discussion, speculation or query
is not this, not that.

You win!

Yay Marsha!

I'd never stick a sock in anyone's mouth.  I'm not a violent, forceful
type.  My leaning is to stick the sock in my own mouth.

Take care,

John

On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 2:08 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

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> On Aug 27, 2010, at 5:15 PM, John Carl wrote:
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> > Marsha,
> >
> > It seems to me if the MoQ can't extricate us out of the mire of
> relativism,
> > we're gonna be really stuck.  I think it does get us out by encouraging
> us
> > to keep trying.  Since we both take as given that Quality is real, we
> both
> > have hope of realizing it in unison when we come across it or create it
> via
> > dialogue.
>
>
> John,
>
> What you state as "the mire of relativism", I experience as
> everything-is-connected-to-everything, which is also expressed
> in the words "no this, not that'.
>
>
> Marsha
>
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> > On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 1:13 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> >
> >> John,
> >>
> >> Isn't your system based on correcting faulty reasoning?   Whether
> >> yes or no, where would insight, feeling, intuition and esthetics
> >> fit into this process?  Feels right to me may never feel right to you,
> >> but then you might claim victory based on rationality.   Where is
> >> the irrational or superrational a part of the system?
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Victory?  The object of a finite game is to win, but this game is in no
> way
> > finite or limitable.  It's intrinsically an infinite interpretation.
> >
> > The way I think feelings and intuition fit into the process, is that we
> > experience such, and then share that experience with each other.
>  Sometimes,
> > my experience doesn't translate easily.  But with time and effort, I
> think
> > most any feeling or intuition can be shared verbally.  I know what you
> mean,
> > about the feeling itself, but really we're not trying to feel each
> other's
> > feelings.  We're trying to understand each other's intellectual
> > understandings of our feelings.
> >
> > Of course, intellect is just a small part of our human experience.  But
> > nevertheless, it's an important aspect and worthy of the attempt to get
> it
> > right.  And even with its limitations we have no other way of
> communicating.
> >
> > Doesn't that seem right to you?
> >
> > John
> >
> > PS: I take it you meant "how very rational" in a derogatory way then.
> > Criticism of using rationality doesn't make any more sense to me than
> > criticism of my use of English or my use of interpretation.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I can accept that my interpretation is invalid because it's lazy and
> >>>>> cliched.    I can't accept its invalid simply because it's an
> >>>>> interpretation.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> To me, the process has to go like this: I project, you correct.  You
> >>>>> project, I correct.  We keep going till it feels right.  We don't
> quit
> >>>> just
> >>>>> because it feels wrong.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> John
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> How very rational!
> >>>>
> >>>> Marsha
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 11:34 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> John,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I reject your interpretations here.  Your conclusions seem to me
> like
> >>>> lazy
> >>>>>> cliche.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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