[MD] Able to change well.

[Frank Booth]

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From: "plattholden at gmail.com" <plattholden at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [MD] Able to change well.

On 29 Aug 2010 at 20:13, Frank Booth wrote:

> [Pferd]
> All patterns are born, grow, change, die and fade away.
>
> [Mann]
> Except the ones that don't.

[Pferd]
Such as?

[Mann]
Such as The Eternal Moment.

Ooooooooommmmmmmmmm ....

[Platt}
Such as "Some things are better than others.".

<Frank>
I admit that I am wrong. But:

When we speak of the attributes of patterns we are really just speaking of the 
attributes of the observer.

We are born. We grow. We change. We die. We might even fade away. ( Who the hell 
knows? )

<Satan>
Hmmm ... Dr. Phil?

"Are there any non-human patterns" or something like that is an obvious next 
question.








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From: Horse <horse at darkstar.uk.net>
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Sent: Sun, August 29, 2010 3:20:57 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] Able to change well.

  Such as?

On 29/08/2010 03:40, Frank Booth wrote:
> [Pferd]
> All patterns are born, grow, change, die and fade away.
>
> [Mann]
> Except the ones that don't.
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> From: Horse<horse at darkstar.uk.net>
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Sent: Sat, August 28, 2010 12:10:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [MD] Able to change well.
>
>    All patterns are born, grow, change, die and fade away.
>
> On 28/08/2010 20:07, MarshaV wrote:
>> Steve,
>>
>> Maybe it would be to say patterns change relative to
>> individual experience, and patterns change (evolve)
>> over time.  Does that a better statement?  Either way,
>> change is constant.
>>
>>
>> Marsha
>>
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>> On Aug 28, 2010, at 3:02 PM, MarshaV wrote:
>>
>>> On Aug 28, 2010, at 2:55 PM, Steven Peterson wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 2:49 PM, MarshaV<valkyr at att.net>   wrote:
>>>>> Steve,
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't you think that if you have the pattern of justice in your mind this
>>>>> afternoon, it will be a bit different than that pattern in your mind last
>>>>> week, and different than the pattern of justice being taught a professor
>>>>> at UCONN last Spring?  That is a type of change, yes?
>>>> Yep. Calling both patterns by the same name is a matter of convention.
>>>> It is part of a sophisticated linguistic practice that includes the
>>>> utility of sentences like, "some Y's are X's" and "you are justified
>>>> in thinking that A is an X, but it is actually a Y."
>>> Steve,
>>>
>>> I don't understand what you saying.  There seems to types of change, maybe
>>> as particular events as opposed to a more general change.  If you are not
>>> equating a pattern with one of Plato's ideal forms, than both changes 
occur,
>>> yes?
>>>
>>> Marsha
>>>
>>>

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