[MD] Able to change well.

[John Carl]

Hello Ade, Platt,


>
> Hello Platt,
> You have stated it succinctly.
> Thank you sir.
>
>
John:  I agree completely.


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> The moq is very much not unique in applying an ability to judge in the
> manner you describe as i keep discovering.
> It's central to many beliefs, but rejected by modernity. I'll grant you
> that.
> Shopenhauer is rejected for the same reason for example, and his notion of
> the Universal Will is restricted to living things only by those who choose
> to take him seriously. It is Shopenhauer who spoke of magnets having a
> preference to do what they do, and it is also held by Aristotle that things
> fall to the ground because they prefer to do so.
> When Shopenhauer writes about the Universal Will, i do take him seriously.
> So when the moq says the same thing i take it seriously also.
>
>
John:  I think you hit on a real key point there, about a certain congruence
Quality has, or rather a congruence of metaphysics toward Quality, that
keeps the MoQ from being unique - but in a good way.




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> Because Robert Pirsig is ruminating his thoughts in the novel he doesn't
> list the possible sources that may have informed this thinking. Which i do
> not argue with and accept for what it is.
>

I believe his sources are pretty well explicated.  In biographical form in
his novels, and in this forum a lot gets brought to light.  He never claimed
to be a comprehensive scholar of philosophy, by any means.  I think he came
to his insights in congruence with others, independently of knowing about
them, and in a way, that's a stronger affirmation of his thinking than if
he'd been aware of them before he started out.



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>
> What is unique about the moq in my opinion is that it is an individuation
> of our commonly held heritage.
> If we connect to this as you say we have the opportunity to ripen as
> individuals.
>
>

This happens, yes.  But I believe moreso in dialogue than individual
contemplation.  I see it fundamentally as a social process, and thus the MoQ
as inextricably intertwined with MD.

Thanks for joining us and hope you stick around.

Schopenhauer!  Yummm....


John