[MD] Stuck on a Torn Slot

X Acto xacto at rocketmail.com
Wed Dec 1 05:17:06 PST 2010



[Pirsig]
The defect is that subject-object science has no provision for morals.  ...Now
that intellect was in command of society for the first time in history, was
THIS the intellectual pattern it was going to run society with?"

[Marsha]
Yes, science has the subject-object defect, as do all Intellectual static
patterns of value...

[Arlo]
Can you explain why your ideas about Intellect=SOM are better than Pirsig's
ideas that Intellect!=SOM? Do you think your ideas have better explanatory
power? Offer the possibility for better solutions? What does your MOQ offer
that Pirsig's does not?

Ron:
Arlo, I suspect that the reasons people subscribe to the intellect=SOM theory
are emotional reasons. It fits in with their current ways of thinking, it is 
consistent
with the values which they choose to define themselves. The anti intellectual 
hippie
movement held these values. Bob outlines the consequences of this movement
of mistaking biological quality for dynamic quality which is one of the great 
explanations of why it failed.
That is why it is so important to clearly make the distinction between 
intellect=
SOM theory with Pirsigs expansion of reason. The consequences, are vastly
different.
Which brings about something I've been contemplating regarding what Nietzsche
said about philosophy being unable to cure an ailing culture. New thread 
perhaps?




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