[MD] Philosophy and Abstraction

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Hi John,
Neo-Hegelian sounds cool to me.  I do respect Hegel as a brilliant man.  So
long as it is not neo-conservative...  Maybe I'll look it up.

I don't know if it is verboten.  We all speak of sensing dynamic quality.
 The question is, where does that occur?  If our wordy consciousness is
somehow one step removed, then what is happening right at this moment?  It
would imply that there is no direct experience within our thoughts, which
doesn't ring true to me.  I think the attempt is to qualify and quantify it.
 If it is something that we are not aware of, but can only theorize about,
then this whole radical empiricism falls apart.

Certainly we can use words like "mystical experience" as some kind of
objective reality which is somewhere else.  But as I have said before (and
you agreed with, thanks) this whole thing is a mystical experience.  How can
we describe it otherwise.  Preaching to the converted, I know.  It would
seem that some are using the wrong side of Occam's razor, or using it in
reverse.

So, back to dynamic quality.  It is right now, can't be anywhere else.  What
do we do with it?  That is the question.  How do we spread the word to stop
all this insanity?  How do we encourage good choices?  Unless people believe
in it, they will not follow.  All this contusion into tying philosophies
together is great for the philosopher, but what about those others.  ZMM had
a way; I experienced it in the '70s; everybody got it.  What happened?  I
think Pirsig was enamored with his fame and following, and the academics go
ahold of it.  What happened to the book on American Indians he was going to
write?  But, now I sound like a broken record, Quality is now...Quality is
now...Quality is now...

Ouch, that burned!
Mark

On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 11:14 PM, John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com> wrote:

> Matt and Mark,
>
> sounds to me like you guys are flirting around the area of "neo-hegelian"
> verboten territory.  Bad!  Naughty!  Mustn't!
> dave doesn't approve.
>
> According to my thinking, experiencing an abstraction is just about the
> most
> direct experience there can be. Neurons have a language too, ya know.  If
> people would just sit on a hot stove  just a little  longer than normal,
> maybe they'd learn something beyond a parrot-like reactionism.
>
> John
>
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